I've had some ongoing discussions with people about Bible software for Macs... I keep thinking about Bible software for Macs and in the process of asking a couple of questions of Doc Stone, I mentioned that I thought the software [choices] for Macs was terrible to which the good Doc replied:My shock is that I can hardly believe there are ministers and bible students out there who haven't heard of Accordance. The program is superb, in interface, in search power, in module offerings, in development, in support, and on and on. If you are a bible scholar and/or a pastor (which as best I can tell comprises the vast majority of The Macintosh Biblioblog audience), there's really only one choice.
"Bible Software for the Mac is terrible? Geeze Louise, guy, I know people who switched to the mac just so they could run Accordance. It is the slickest thing I've ever seen."
The other options are simply lacking for bible scholars and ministers. I am pro-gnu license projects, but MacSword simply prevents the use of any modern translations/texts, but along with OnlineBible is just too far behind the times in development. I still can't figure out what QuickVerse is for. I suppose if you want to look up "love" in the bible, and in some decades-old reference it would suffice. For an edutainment, multimedia app for lay folks or the Sunday School classroom, iLumina is a real option. But Accordance software has nearly every option you could possibly want, nearly every module you could want (with the exception of the elusive modern, mainline scholarly commentaries). And with version 7 coming next year, there's no end in sight.
And what about the SBL Exhibit Hall Booths? Accordance had as usual it's ridiculously busy booth of some 7 or 8 Macs with nearly as many staffers, for folks to try things out and get any hands on experience. A DVD tutorial also spanned a screen on the back wall. And then there was LOGOS.
Updated for clarity (as per Ken's good suggestions):
I was anticipating getting a chance to see their Mac app, but then they announced they are half a year behind the schedule they announced half a year ago. But what is worse, is it seems they had planned on being ready for SBL; their display booth had a lone peecee on one end and then a solitary Powerbook on the other end, void of any traffic or attention or staff, sitting beneath an enormous "Logos for Mac is Here." banner. Problem is, it wasn't.
It really looked like they had already bought the banner, so they went ahead and put it up. More embarassing is that they also set up a Mac, running the most minimal shell of a User Interface with no real functionality. It was just a small collection of menus, 90% of which did absolutely nothing, and it was running in "Safe Development Mode" at that. From what little was there to see, I was not filled with confidence that their project was in the hands of competent Cocoa coders. From the size of the package, some work has been done other than what was showing, but why didn't they get something ready to show? I could put together an app with more demonstrative potential and functionality in Project Builder in less than an hour. (Ask me and I might let you have a look at "Conformance," my specialized Bible software program streamlined for fundamentalists.) I haven't the foggiest idea why the folks at LOGOS put this embarassment up on their table, for it served only to demonstrate that they basically had nothing. They already have a slight reputation of vaporware, which is the unfortunate result of the pre-publication announcement business model they use ("We announce we're going to do project X, if enough of you pre-pay."), which I think is a good model.
But I really can't overstate that the scene at the "Mac" end of the booth just looked pathetic, so I'm puzzled why they did it. Seriously, they need to replace whatever coder they hired if she/he was given even just one afternoon to get something ready for display at the conference, and also perhaps whoever made the decision to put that out on the table for folks to see. It couldn't have had the effect of causing someone to say, "Oh, I'll not buy any Mac products for 6 months, so as to wait for LOGOS' product." It surely did more harm than good.
As I stared at the "demo" at their booth watching it do nothing, an employee came up to me and simply said, "Sorry."
LOGOS made their money, and achieved their large size, in the popular market. This is why they've not been the choice among scholars in particular. But in the last couple of years, they've been trying to enter the scholarly market, and good for them. But the performance in the Exhibit Hall at SBL only solidified that if you have a Windoze box, it seems to me best to stick with BibleWorks (unless Libronix carries a module you must have) or Accordance (which has a PC install disk as well); and if you have a Mac, there really is one clear choice of bible software.
Bob Pritchett of Logos Bible Software has offered this helpful, public response:
We have many person years into the Macintosh port already. I think the reason that it does not yet match 'what you could put together in Project Builder in less than one hour' is that we aren't aiming for a pretty demo, we are aiming for a useful product. Our porting has been from the bottom up, and our first priority has been reading the eBooks, not designing the icons.I agree with Bob and said as much that I think the side effect of the pre-pub program is unfortunate. But, my impression at the booth was in fact my impression, and I don't see why if you're going to demo something, why not take at least an hour to put together something that might make a positive impression? If the banner was to imply, "you could see it working right here," it seems a good strategy would be to have something working right there.The software we showed at SBL reads more than 5,000 reference works we have already released on Windows. Without changes, without recompiles. While we want to have a great looking product, and plan to, we believe the real star of any Bible software release is the content...
The banner was made for the conference the week before; it even said "Spring 2006" right on it. The "It's Here" meant you could see it working right here, which you could. I'm sorry the demo wasn't prettier.
As to the vaporware charge, I think it's patently unfair. The pre-pub program is clearly explained, and more than 95% of pre-pubs actually make it to publication.
And one final bit of advice, as for "5,000 reference works we have already released... we believe the real star of any Bible software release is the content," I suggest taking a harder look at the high priority placed on User Interface standards we expect to see on our beloved Macs. Some 80 to 90% of the works in every bible software package is out-of-date crap fluff, so don't try and impress me with numbers. We want content we should be using, not just what we can get our hands on or what is cheap, and we want it in a beautiful, intuitive interface.
Okay, Joe, I'll bite... What on earth is "Conformance"?
ReplyDeleteI am hoping that the Libronix Reader from Logos will be free on the Mac like it is in Windows. There's no way I could imagine switching from Accordance to Logos, especially with all that I've invested in Accordance (which will always have a hand in keeping me on the Mac, too!).
ReplyDeleteI used Logos briefly before moving to BibleWorks in my pre-Mac days. It was okay, but not stellar. I assume they have improved over time, but I just can't imagine them luring Accordance users away.
However, the vast library that Logos has will be a huge selling point for lots of people myself included, who will undoubtedly run both systems (Logos and Accordance) on my Mac.
After Logos announced their Mac version (seems like eons ago), I downloaded the Windows version to run in VirtualPC and bought a couple of books to see how the interface works. I was promised by a rep at Logos that anything I purchased in Windows would also work in the Mac version when it was finally released. Of course, who knew it would take this long!
I found it much more economical and satisfying to invest in Virtual PC (which runs very well and fast on modern macs) to use the few PC apps I must have.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, I had heard of Accordance, but up until the last week of October, I was a lifelong Windows user. I owned Gramcord and found BibleWorks a much better program. My assumption was that Accordance was just Gramcord for the Mac. I was wrong and I repent :-)
ReplyDeleteI own the basic package now and am hoping to scrape enough together in January to get the Scholar's Package--I really do like Accordance.
Accordance used to be closely associated with the Gramcord Institute, and used Gramcord Greek NT texts in earlier versions. When I first switched to the Mac in 1998, I bought my initial Accordance modules from the Gramcord Institute rather than OakTree.
ReplyDeleteOf course, the Windows Gramcord software has never been as nicely implemented as Accordance, in either past or present versions.
I still don't really understand what happened between Gramcord and OakTree to make them go their separate ways, but Accordance never missed a beat and has moved forward and only gotten better in my opinion.
> I found it much more economical and
ReplyDelete> satisfying to invest in Virtual PC (which
> runs very well and fast on modern macs) > to use the few PC apps I must have.
Unfortunately, Libronix runs like molasses with Virtual PC on a Mac. (But I have heard that it can sluggish on a PC!)
Someone this morning made a cryptic, anonymous post stating that Accordance is priced too high. I'd welcome comments about the issue.
ReplyDeleteI'd also welcome the original poster to make another comment stating their opinion in a less slanderous way, and less anonymously at that.
I was not the person who anonymously posted regarding the extra cost of Accordance, but I have compared the cost with BibleWorks in the past. To get the exact same functionality that one gets with BibleWorks "out of the box" with no add-ons ($299), one would have to pay well over $400 in Accordance modules. See my post to the BibleWorks forum: http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2082&postcount=2
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